The Hungarian String Quartet play Beethoven

I just saw this new entry of Beethoven's String Quartets with the The Hungarian Quartet:

Beethoven*, Hungarian Quartet* - The Complete String Quartets

I wonder if the following recordings belong to one or to two masters (mono or stereo recording from different years):

Beethoven*, Hungarian Quartet* - The Complete String Quartets
Beethoven*, Hungarian Quartet* - The Complete String Quartets
Hungarian String Quartet*, Beethoven* - Beethoven, The String Quartets
Beethoven*, Das Ungarische Streichquartett* - S?mtliche Streichquartette = Complete String Quartets
Le Quatuor Hongrois*, Beethoven* - Les 17 Quatuors
Ludwig van Beethoven, Quatuor Hongrois* - Les Quatuors à Cordes
(I hope I have not missed any).

Any idea?
Inviting some contributors to these integrales:

sp_davan, Silviu_Alexandru, Thao8382, Kfitzmaurice29, Opdiner, Ascona, Hienda2011, brummitor, the_vinyl_outlet, wg100, bjs6a, Adukim, 432Hertz

Lots of confusion in the database ;
Some remarks based on french Issues on COLUMBIA Labels
There are two distinct recordings of the complete quartets with Hungarian Quartet
One from mid 50 's on French COLUMBIA large box ,with Scores from each quartets as small booklets included in Three large boxes released under FCX prefix with Dark blue & silver magic notes Labels ( FCX France then FCX 30.000 for quartets in one single box , 33 CX Columbia U.K on single LPs , Angel 35000 USA ) . This is the first complete MONO cycle .
Then there is a 1966 issue STEREO , Different Recordings issued in three textiled boxes under CCA (Original issues , Not RE) & CCHS prefixes , (HMV HQS prefixes , SLS Complete set , SIC Seraphim USA , SMC Electrola Germany ). These two master releases cannot be both Mono (mid 50 's recordings ) and STEREO (mid 60 's recordings ), means all single Lp's should be attached to corresponding master releases ,MONO or STEREO. However , master releases should be wisely choosen as I have no indication whether the MONO LPs were issued before the precious large boxes with complete scores with the first MONO Cycle . The use of box sets makes it rather simple as it gathers all single Lp issues from different countries

the_vinyl_outlet
There are two distinct recordings of the complete quartets with Hungarian Quartet
One release on French COLUMBIA large box ,includes Scores from each quartets as small booklets included in large box released under FCX prefix with D

Am I right with:
First master
Le Quatuor Hongrois*, Beethoven* - Les 17 Quatuors
with the same Musicians as per credits
Ludwig van Beethoven, Quatuor Hongrois* - Les Quatuors à Cordes
Beethoven*, Hungarian Quartet* - The Complete String Quartets
and thus also
Beethoven*, Hungarian Quartet* - The Complete String Quartets

Second master with
Beethoven*, Das Ungarische Streichquartett* - S?mtliche Streichquartette = Complete String Quartets
Hungarian String Quartet*, Beethoven* - Beethoven, The String Quartets

The bottom line is : First master should be MONO recordings
Second Master is Stereo recordings

FCX 30.000 is first master MONO
All CD sets you quoted are First master (mono )
LP box sets are Second master (STEREO )

The recordings were made in France, as demonstrated by the XLX (Mono) and YLK (Stereo) matrix prefixes. This means that a French release should anyhow be made key release in any master. Columbia was an EMI-controlled brand, which would suggest that both French and German releases on the Columbia label can be joined into one Master. Mono and stereo can be placed into the same master as well.

Here is one more candidate for the proposed master: The Hungarian Quartet - Beethoven S?mtliche Streichquartette. This is a merge candidate with Beethoven*, Das Ungarische Streichquartett* - S?mtliche Streichquartette = Complete String Quartets.

Also, we should consider RSG §16.2.2.. When we apply this guideline, all collections mentioned might well find an appropriate home in one single MR.

Am I making myself clear ?

NO, MONO and and STEREO are DIFFERENT recordings THen Different masters . This is why the database is so ENTANGLED with these references . If you merge in one single reference , people will be unable to determine whether it's MONO(50 's ) or STEREO (60 's ) recordings which is why everything is so confused whereas people will link new entries to the wrong masters

German issues quoted belong to Master Two (Stereo ) and should be merged as well

to Entepips :
yes, you are right

the_vinyl_outlet: yes, you're right. In this case the matrix numbers are different for stereo and mono versions, revealing that they are indeed different recordings.

As disambiguation, it would be good if we added info about the recordings on the respective MR note.

First MR:
Personnel:
Cello – Vilmos Palotai
Viola – Denes Koromzay
1st Violin – Zoltan Székely
2nd Violin – Alexandre Moskowsky
Recorded: Paris, Studio Magellan, September-December, 1953

Second MR:
Personnel:
Viola – Denes Koromzay
Violin – Michael Kuttner, Zoltan Szekely
Violoncello – Gabor Magyar
Recorded: Paris, 1965-66
Additional notes: Székely plays the 'Michelangelo' Stradivarius (1718), Kuttner plays the 'Santa Theresa' Petrus Guarnerius (1704), Koromzay plays a 1766 instrument by M. Decanet, and Magyar has a cello by Alessandro Gagliano of 1706.

Complementary info taken from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Quartet
https://books.google.fi/books?id=CCgEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA36&ots=ofu4WadRk1&dq=Sz%C3%A9kely%20Kuttner%20Koromzay%20Magyar%20paris%201966&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q=Sz%C3%A9kely%20Kuttner%20Koromzay%20Magyar%20paris%201966&f=false

This ensemble happens to be a favourite of mine. The cellist on the cover pic is definitely Vilmos Palotai, so this must be the first -monaural- recording, for lack of a credits section. Belongs in a MR with Les 17 Quatuors and Les Quatuors à Cordes, among others. Cheers.

the_vinyl_outlet
all single Lp's should be attached to corresponding master releases

In theory it would have been a nice way to organize them, but we shouldn't.
RSG §16.2.3 rules against it:
Releases that combine two albums can't be on the same Master release as the individual albums.

If it is known that an LP was also sold individually at the time of release, they don't go to the same MR as the box.
(For boxes that were broken up and loose items sold second hand it's a different story, but I don't think we're dealing with that in this thread).

So should we go ahead and create the MRs?

sunjan
So should we go ahead and create the MRs?

+1 with the infos in your post above

MRs created:
Le Quatuor Hongrois*, Beethoven* - Les 17 Quatuors
Beethoven*, Das Ungarische Streichquartett* - S?mtliche Streichquartette = Complete String Quartets

Also, I put up 13981976 and 9791883 for merger.
If you happen to have either of these, please upload label images and anything else that could distinguish them. otherwise, vote to merge.

Master release should be French box sets (CCA ,CCHS ) for Stereo version
Master release should be French Box sets (FCX ) Columbia for MONO version
if allmighty rules allow it The german set is a reissue so is the complete FCX 30.000 box (plaisir musical )
I have these records
Sorry ,I do not see 13981976 and 9791883 clearly
Please send link
BR

EntePips
sunjanSo should we go ahead and create the MRs?

+1 with the infos in your post above

see rule RSG §16.2.3
in theory there should be a master release for each period ,i.e OP.18 N°1-6 (MR N°1 ) then N°7-11 (MR 2) then the last quartets N°12-16 + grosse fugue (MR 3)
Same for each version
This way single LPs should be attached to the right box sets

the_vinyl_outlet
Sorry ,I do not see 13981976 and 9791883 clearly
Please send link

You can vote on the merger here:
http://www.aninacollins.com/release/13981976-Beethoven-S%C3%A4mtliche-Streichquartette/history#latest

I see your point about the other three MRs for 1-6 (3xLP) + 7-11 (3xLP) + 12-17 (4xLP).
But there is no contradiction that those MR exist side by side with the 10xLP MRs that we just created.
This is the way discogs is designed.
If partial boxes were released, and individual LPs were released, they should not be listed under the 10xLP MR.

So regarding the partial boxes we have the following MRs:

1-6 mono:
Le Quatuor Hongrois* / Beethoven* - Les Quatuors - Enregistrement Intégral Volume I

7-11 mono:
Beethoven* - Le Quatuor Hongrois* - Les 17 Quatuors ( Vol. II ) - Enregistrement Intégral

12-17 mono:
Beethoven* - Le Quatuor Hongrois* - Les 17 Quatuors ( Vol. III ) - Enregistrement Intégral

1-6 stereo:
Beethoven*, Le Quatuor Hongrois* - Quatuors A Cordes N° 1 à 6

7-11 stereo:
Beethoven*, Le Quatuor Hongrois* - Quatuors à Cordes N° 7 à 11

12-17 stereo:
Beethoven* - Le Quatuor Hongrois* - Quatuors à Cordes N° 12 à 17

Sounds awfully nice
Thanks